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The sad truth about School by ~HerbalDrink:iconHerbalDrink:



The sad truth about our schools: They do not prepare us for real life. In Real life, if you are busted for harassing someone, you are fired from your job. You are given a restraining order. You are fined. But what is the unfunny truth about Jr. High and how does this relate to it?

When you're in school - you get away with it. You can harass away - all you get is a punishment that does nothing. IT is only under the correct circumstances that you are actually punished for harassing someone.

I was spat on, I have friends that were groped, I was harassed, I was even pissed on by a 9th grader. I was told that I was to just "Ignore them" and they would go away.

Ignoring a bully does not make the problem go away - When they are not punished, they continue to do it because they can get away with it. But when they ARE punished, they are not punished enough.

Suspension? It did nothing. Unless your parents actually did something to you, Suspension was just a break from school. Detention? Who does detention anymore? Take it from your parents...Detention did nothing. There were people who were in a state of near permanent detention, making them sit in a room for 30 minutes after school did nothing. Making them write "I will not do this" did nothing. It does not work on TV for the likes of Bart Simpson, it doesn't work here.


And there's always the favouring because no one has the balls to speak up - If I were not Caucasian and was spat on, then that would be racism. If I were pissed on and I were a girl, that'd be sexual harassment. If I were gay and I were groped, that'd either be a "Just ignore them" or a hate crime. But I am neither, I am a Caucasian male therefore I was told to "Just ignore them" and "Remove myself from the situation"

Removing yourself from the situation is a LOT easier if you aren't required by law to be close to a harasser because he's IN YOUR CLASS. Removing myself from the situation would require me to skip school, which is illegal. Or to drop from the class, and there is no way you can do that early in the semester.

But unfortunately, why do we not kick dozens of people out of schools each year for harassment the way people would if they were in the working society? Easy - where do they go? We have to take care of our children so they can learn this lesson. Oh but if we don't teach them, they'll wind up having a hard time finding a job after being fired for harassing a coworker. As it is true we are always learning, but why can't our children learn what harassment is until they wind up with a restraining order against them?

Of course what happens? Our Future Degenerates of America schools wind up becoming the new public schools while the Public Schools become the new private schools. If we kicked people out for harassment, My Jr. High school would be so empty I'd have my own locker. And in these schools, what happens? Would they learn? Would they finally learn their lesson to not harass people? Would they finally learn that if you do that, you get kicked out? I doubt it - there are people who are in ISS so many times, it doesnt' affect them at all.
©2008-2009 ~HerbalDrink
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:iconmiss-frost:
take justice into your own hands. YOU punish them. in whichever way that seems fit to you.
:iconcarbondragon1093:
i feel ya here. i had to put up with a 'sexual situation' on a big, overnight class field trip to Washington DC (400 miles from home). the perves that were doing it threatened me with violence if i told and, taking my mom's advice, i told my Gifted teacher (class for A+++ students) and she got the little freaks in more trouble than most teachers could. that didnt fix the problem of course and word eventually got back to the kids that i was the one who told. the boys were: 2 short little immature kids, and one large dude who was sort-of threatening. it took a week for me telling got back to them and for a couple of days, one of the little guys hid behind the big one and gave me "go to hell" looks. the other one was more balsy and started calling me gay and fag ect. 2 days later, i jumped him and he made up some very BS excuses to get out of more trouble. neither of us got suspended, but we did miss the rest of that day. very next day in gym, little F'er decides to shove me onto a bench and take off running. i sed "fuck it, this ends now" and pretty much thrashed him. not another peep was heard :D

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:iconartencot:
uh,i got someone expelled,any he deserved it
:iconfelineflames:
I'm sorry to hear you've had so much trouble with bullies. :-\ I've been there and it's not at all a fun place to be. One of my year-mates shoved a lit Zippo in my face once and singed my bangs. I was fortunate that my hair didn't catch fire. And from seeing things on the other side, it's pretty awful the way schools try to discipline the kids.

I do, however, disagree with you on a few counts. Firstly, as sad as it is, bullying does NOT end with high school. At all. The bullies simply get older and sneakier. Yes, there are restraining orders and filing for harassment, but you have to have evidence or witnesses for those. Most bullies are much too subtle for that to work. Enter the delightful world of passive aggression. Instead of spitting and pissing on you, they do things that are much, much harder to point out. They harass you when no one's looking, or they drop a comment that sounds like chit-chat to everyone else, but is actually a veiled threat or hateful remark. And if you try to take action, YOU are the one who's seen as a nutjob, YOU get fired.

It's unfair as hell, but that's where things are.

Secondly, as much as I hate the school system I have to play devil's advocate. It isn't -all- their fault. Yes, they play a big part, but acting like the school is solely responsible is part of the reason the problems exist in the first place. The PARENTS need to be the first line of defense. They have to teach their kids about discipline and basic social rules. If the kids walk into the school thinking they're God's gift to the universe and their parents back them up regardless of their actions, then NOTHING the school does will help. You can't appeal to the moral center of a child if the parents haven't given him one. :(

Lastly, and I know this is something you've likely tried already, but here goes: try talking to your teachers about it. Teachers are almost uniformly overworked and exhausted, so when someone says "Waah! He's being mean to me!" they generally can't do much. HOWEVER, if you go up and rationally talk to them about, "Billy-bob has been harassing me in the hallways and spitting on my stuff. Would it be possible for me to move my seat so I can leave the classroom well before him?" or something like that. Suggest a reasonable solution. Don't just say "fix it!"

That said, the situation in schools sucks mightily and -does- need some serious rebooting. I advocate reintroducing the good ol' fashion ruler-smack-on-the-knuckles treatment. Or at least some personal ridicule. But then all the parents would have to admit that their Pwecious Chyold might be less than perfect!! :ohnoes:

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:iconherbaldrink:
"Lastly, and I know this is something you've likely tried already, but here goes: try talking to your teachers about it. Teachers are almost uniformly overworked and exhausted, so when someone says "Waah! He's being mean to me!" they generally can't do much. HOWEVER, if you go up and rationally talk to them about, "Billy-bob has been harassing me in the hallways and spitting on my stuff. Would it be possible for me to move my seat so I can leave the classroom well before him?" or something like that. Suggest a reasonable solution. Don't just say "fix it!""

Believe me, saying 'fix it' did not work in Jr. High, but I have actually tried the rational approach. What really happened wasn't really solving the problem. I don't know if you saw this or not, but if oyu did move people so that they're across the room and away from any accomplices, they moved onto someone else who was closer to them and the cycle repeats until they can get closer to a better target.

I saw it a lot of times - girls went after another low self-esteem girl, guys groped other girls by "Accident" (you could pass it off as an accident, I learned how they did it just by watching it), and they just passed the "Gay" Flag to other people.

I'm not in High School anymore, but I am still disappointed at how they handled harassment - they always made us go to "Bullyproofing" assemblies, made sure we knew that there were laws against bullying (That meant nothing), and this was Colorado. Out here, the people who WEREN'T blaming Columbine on Video games were blaming it on negligent staff.

Of course, teachers being overowkred...dude yes. Overworked and underpaid. Same with construction and maitenance*sp* workers, how much do they make? Apparently, because "Everyone can do it". oh right, like a person in a wheelchair or with narcolepsy can pour cement on the road.

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:iconfelineflames:
I think the big issue is that for some reason the teachers are getting shouldered with ALL of the responsibility. Now, granted, I really do think more teachers need to get a bit nastier, but at the same time I can see why they don't. As a teacher, you're under constant watch. There are so many laws and restraints holding teachers back that they're near powerless. I couldn't even accidentally bump into my students or say things like "stupid" under any terms without them threatening lawsuits. All the legal power has somehow been snatched away from the schools and the teachers and been placed firmly in the students (through the medium of poor parents) hands. It's sick.

Anyway, for some reason teachers are seen as the major source of punishment in schools now, and that baffles me. I didn't graduate THAT long ago (2000), and things were so different it makes my head spin. The teachers then were the first line of defense. You interrupted class or did something stupid more than once? Your ass was out the door and in the principal's office where the meanest, most terrifying person in the school would verbally flay you alive. It didn't always work, but it kept things MUCH more under control.

Now, though, our society seems to have leaned waaaay toward the crazy-overprotective side in terms of children. It's as we think they'll break if exposed to too much reality! People are calling Child Services on parents that spank their unruly kids, teachers are getting sued into oblivion because they talk about reproduction in biology class. WTF? People need to wake up and realize that kids are perfectly able to handle the "tougher" part of life right along with Barney and unicorns and happy rainbows. -_-;;

Oof.. And "bullyproofing" *shudders* Don't even get me started. I'll rant for days on the idiocy of THAT little nugget. lol

Sorry for babbling so much. This is just a topic I tend to feel very strongly about. :blushes:

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:icongattlin:
Dude, I might not have been bullied on like you did, but I have been bullied in other ways, mostly verbaly and other ways of "cannon fodder". Of cource, I also over reacted about some things too and in my condition I got to the point where I didn't know if I was being bullied on or not. There were times where I knew I was being harrased (that's what they now call it in Texas instead of bullying, and I personaly like it because it at least sounds more legal and able to be put in a lawsuit), and I would tell the teachers about it all the time.
And I agree with :iconfelineflames: about a new form of punishment. My favorite wood shop teacher had a very "unruley" class that I unforunately was in. When he demonstraited the tools he would use a specific peice of wood, and when he was done with all the demonstraitions he ended up with a new toy. The Paddle, and he actualy used it once and it was only a light tap. We didn't know that though and the kid on his knee was crying in antisipation. Sorry, got carried away.
I personaly think that Detention MIGHT work if only they could increase the length they stay after school depending on the crime or the number of previous detentions, and if they did that then some of the people I know would STILL be in school for what they did LAST year. If the punishment interfears with the kid's life outside of school then I think it might work. THat and text messaging should be banned, or at least have a jamming signal in school.
I also had a bully teacher, and what was worse was that the things she did were kind of like what :iconfelineflames: said about bullying in the workplace. But that was partialy because she didin't understand how people with ADD had to go through and that I had ADD.
I also have a lot of rants on not only the bullying, but also how and what the schools teach.

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:iconavalanch-man:
I know exactly what you mean. Everything you said there is right. There are a lot of cases where people need to get more of a punishment than they do.

See, my friends and me got bullied a lot last year. One of those bullies thought it would be a funny idea to run over to a friend of mine with a lit firecracker, and throw it underneath him. Obviously, everyone saw it (my friend included) and we all scattered. The very instant a teacher came over after hearing the explosion, EVERYONE swarmed my friend, all pointing to him yelling that he had done it. Luckily, I was friends with the dean of the school, and managed to get in to tell what really happened. But not before my friend Matt had a nice, long, threatening talk with the principal about how they were going to expel him.

When they finally did find the guy who did it, (he had more in his backpack) guess what happened to him? Nothing. Big surprise! He was told not to do it again, and they let him go. Not even a detention.

What bothers me most about this, is that if I hadn't been there, what would've happened to my friend? He would've been framed and probably expelled. Why is it when we are bullied, our tormentors are never punished. But if we do something wrong, well then all hell breaks loose.

I hesitate to support any kind of new punishment in schools, only because I doubt the teachers' ability to responsibly punish the actual bullies.

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:iconavalanch-man:
Why the heck did it stick a neutral smiley on there? I know for a fact I clicked angry. -_-

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